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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Sep 21, 2006 9:13am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault

Sorry to say, but I think Rhino is gonna find out what GDP discovered. There just aren't enough Dead Heads out there to justify the expense of releasing a lot of the music. The market has been saturated with live GD music over the last decade or so, 30 something Dick's Picks, Various DL's and other related Live releases and DVDs. There just aren't enough people out there who want that much Grateful Dead music. The number of us who want anything we can get our hands on is relatively small (and getting smaller). The average Dead Head doesn't need or want 10 versions of Scarlet-Fire, or the Other One, let alone FOTD or Cowboy Songs, even if they are all unique, and the next one coming out is awesome!!! I would be surprised if there are more than a couple of hundred thousand Dead Heads out there, and far fewer of us who actively collect the music. This isn't the Beatles, or Elvis we're talking about who can draw on hundreds of millions of fans when they release new packages, and therefore, only need a small percentage to buy to be profitable. These guys need a majority of fans to buy whatever they put out. It's the casual fan that ultimately decides whether a release is successful or not. I believe that there already is enough music out there to satisfy that fan base, and they wouldn't know how special a may '77 set or Greek Theater set is.

I also think that while we raised a big stink about the pulling of the SBDs, there are relatively few Dead Heads who actually care about that issue. The people I have discussed it with in the real world, either don't think it's a big deal or think that a boycott over this issue is silly.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2006-09-21 16:13:29

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 21, 2006 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault

A sobering, but "Dead-on" assessment, i'm afraid.

i give the Rhino project a year, maybe two, tops.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Sep 21, 2006 2:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault

I think people will respond to pricing. The download series was way overpriced and on the other hand they underestimated demand for the Fillmore 69 set. And they could've lowered the price and sold a TON more, thus seeding the market for future releases.

Many people are now back into GD but could be turned off easily; as you guys said they need to release the best shows. I don't think packaging is desired as much as completeness and/or exact information.

This post was modified by Spaced on 2006-09-21 21:22:31

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Sep 21, 2006 5:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault

"This bonus CD has been mastered from the original master reel-to-reel tapes in HDCD, and will not be made available anywhere else at any cost."

--except maybe free when some enterprizing head decides to torrent same on a pirate site ala Dick's Picks.



While I wouldn't mock a Winterland '73 set as a Christmas gift from Aunt Ginny, I certainly won't cough up the $69 bucks myself to purchase it.I have too much AWESOME lossless from 73 that I can't imagine buying any just because it's been 'cleaned up'.

If Rhino can find some material that has never been liberated from the vault in any form then they'll find a market.

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Poster: Max Chorak Date: Sep 21, 2006 8:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault

This is probably a bit arrogant, ignorant, and whatever, but..

I want DVD footage. Gans said there is like... 100 tapes, and 25-30 that are releasable based on footage quality, sound quality, etc..

To me, whatever they are releasing sounds great and all.. but I will forever be preoccupied with what is on the archive already. I want DVD footage. I have everything so far..

I want Sunshine Daydream :)...

and some nice vintage footage man. Its like.. they released GD movie, and closing of winterland.. which are the only 70's footage on commercial DVD.. then it goes 1980 with Dead ahead... and then 1987, 1989, 1990 and higher :<


as Walter from The Big Lebowski would say,

"Am I wrong?"

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Sep 21, 2006 8:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault

I want Sunshine Daydream :)...

A F'n right!!!! I was PROMISED Sunshine Daydream THE D f'n VD!!!! I get all this Vault and stuff and Lights in my eye's Phil's Warfield....but the LONG promised Sunshine?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Break it out! (unless some prankster accidently erased it -that thc addled thought has haunted me long)

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Poster: Yankee9 Date: Sep 21, 2006 10:42am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault

unfortunately, I have to agree with pretty much all that you are saying. We have to appreciate what we have all accumulated up to this point.

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Poster: jhender501 Date: Sep 21, 2006 12:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault


Amen, Purple and Yankee.



Jim

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Sep 21, 2006 12:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault

Expect Nov 9-11 1973 Winterland--complete. This package was alreay in the works at GDP. There was a very short leak showing the packaging (same covers as the Fillmore Box) and the set lists, etc. As soon as they started to receive preorders, the link was yanked and preorders were turned away.

An inside source said that the project was not ready for release; the link was simply a "test." Seems like they were near the end of the test if the link were already finished and ready to roll.

This post was modified by orchiddoctor on 2006-09-21 19:53:54

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Sep 21, 2006 12:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault

Deleted post; the correct information is below.

This post was modified by orchiddoctor on 2006-09-21 19:54:53

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Poster: orchiddoctor Date: Sep 21, 2006 12:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gans, Rhino and the Vault

This is a copy of the text from that link, as posted on www.organissino.org:
Someone found this backdoor page to the Grateful Dead store. It's a preorder page that is NOT ready to take your order. Not sure when they will, but here's the text.

"Grateful Dead - Winterland 1973 - The Complete Recordings
$69.95

When Dick’s Picks began, folks said they wanted every note of a show, and now Dick’s Picks moves to the next level, just as the Fillmore West box did for multi-track vault releases: Our next package, “Winterland 1973,” will be a 9-CD package that covers every note from all three nights of the November 9-10-11, 1973, weekend.

With the first record for their brand new independent record company, Wake of the Flood, in stores on October 15th, the Dead were in a great place in late 1973, and the playing shows it. They could do it all, from country western (“Big River”) to remarkable jams (“Playing” into “Uncle John’s” into “Dew” and back into “Uncle John’s” and then into “Playing”) to amazing deep space –Sunday’s “Dark Star.”

This is also acoustically special; the two track tapes have gotten a sonic bath and deep facial that has them sounding better than you could ever hope.

For additional information on the mastering process of the Winterland 1973: The Complete Recordings click here

All pre-orders of "Winterland 1973-The Complete Recordings" taken before the ship date will receive an exclusive bonus CD featuring the bulk of the Grateful Dead's show in Cincinnati, OH, on December 4, 1973, including the entirety of the second set and highlights from the first set. This bonus CD has been mastered from the original master reel-to-reel tapes in HDCD, and will not be made available anywhere else at any cost."


And it is my error on the dates; I had thought it was the earlier run. Nonetheless, this is the likely release.

For more discussion,

http://www.organissimo.org/forum/index.php?showtopic=11334&st=870